GG noob I am talking to Shyzza he is the 6th best player in North Alabama.

The Power of the X

I don't even play Halo 3 and i'm the sixth?? dame I guesse I did better then I woulda thought during the short period of time I did play..

Pretty cool resource.

I think I was a lvl 50 general before I stopped playing... Why am I not on that list?!~

Jdizzle and Spardizzle pwn huntsville!

It says I'm 8th... but I coulda sworn it was sixth a few minutes ago.

This website's kinda sketchy....

Sketchy as in, it ONLY shows people who have registered with the site. So for all we know, there are hundreds of people in Hsv that would rank higher than us... They just haven't registered.

BTW, D3ATHsLAYER now pwns H'ville.

Mintz, looks like you should have kept the site a secret. After all of us registered you've fallen to #23.

lmao

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Yeah, at least JDOGG and I have pictures documenting our former glory. I could just ask you to prove you were 14th. ;)

i guess it's not everyday you fellas can be proud of somethin..ESSPECIALY when it come to skillzorz,eh? jp

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Oh, I will be back at one once I start play social games instead of ranked games...

Man, I've lost all credibility without that #14 by my name. Looks like I have to start picking up the pieces of my shattered identity.

Of course, I was the best Halo 2 player in Alabama

...and the world

That's also using the "rank" which isn't exactly the greatest way to track actual skill. Using K/D is probably a more accurate representation, since it shows how smart you play and your slaying abilities :). In that I happen to be #1 by a fairly large margin :o.

neither rank,nor K/D show your worth as a team mate.

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Halo 3 is more liberal in awarding rank than Halo 2. I've got several 50's on my list.

I know people that are upper 30's in Halo 3 and would have been lucky to be a 20 in Halo 2. I don't think rank means much any more.

I don't think rank ever meant much to begin with.

W/L ratio is a pretty good indicator, IMO.

Followed by K/D ratio.

Followed by Accuracy.

...combined with number of games played, perhaps.

But there is a difference in being a decent player and being a decent team mate. You can have the best W/L ratio, K/D ratio, and even the best accuracy on XBL, and that doesn't guarantee you are going to be a good team mate. It most definitely doesn't mean you are going to be a supportive team mate. Especially when it comes to objective games like territories/domination or search and destroy.

And in my personal opinion a supportive team mate is far more valuable than a skilled one. Even the newest of gamers can run to a territory to capture it and sacrifice themselves for the team, meanwhile the "skilled" player may be far away, looking out for themselves and their stats and not contributing near as much to the effort.

Support Hillary '08 - "Keep her in so we can win!"

This seems to be a recurring theme in CoD4 discussions. Why is that?

By your theory, a few friends and I will be able to hang with the Boston Celtics in due time. I can't wait.

Some things you can not teach. Given that the strategies are known by both sides, the team with the most skill will usually win unless the strategies are to survive.

The Celtics play CoD4?!?! Wait, I was under the impression we were talking about video games... not March Madness.

I'm not saying skill has no factor in the game. It plays a large factor... which is why we win so often. Strategy plays a large roll in our skill, which is another reason we win so often. Obviously, if you have an entire team of unskilled players your screwed. Everyone knows I am not arguing that a team of nubs can beat a team of skilled players.

What I am saying is that your stats do not necessarily indicate that you are skilled at helping your team win. You can sit back and improve your K/D ratio and accuracy the entire game if you play with the right people... and as a bonus your team may even win. Unfortunately, no thanks to the so called "skilled" player who was only looking out for himself.

Heck, depending on the gametype, you don't even have to be with skilled players. If you are playing the right gametype, you can be with randoms and still improve your stats. But that doesn't make you a supportive team mate.

I'm also saying that I would rather have one unskilled player that is a team player, rather than a skilled individual who is all about himself.

Stats aren't worthless... but I think they should be taken with a grain of salt.

Support Hillary '08 - "Keep her in so we can win!"

@Slayer: You are doing a lot of work talking about stats (giving them some credit here - discounting them there). You aren't doing anything to talk about what a good teammate or bad teammate is. So, I can't really follow what you are trying to say. Teamwork seems to be most important to you, but you are talking a lot about stats. Of course a good teammate is better than a bad teammate. GG.

Why do you keep talking about this?

Well, seeing as how this thread is about stats, it may play a factor as to why I am talking about them.

I am very clear in what I am saying... there is no need for me to expound any further.

Support Hillary '08 - "Keep her in so we can win!"

@rapture.Trust me when i say,i am NOT trying to be mean by this.but just think about it for a second,it'll become clear to you.I promise.

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I was under the impression that he played that way because he wanted us to lose.
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Wow... just for the record, I was not talking about any particular individual. :\

Support Hillary '08 - "Keep her in so we can win!"

Teamwork and communication is overated (in COD4).

That makes you the kind of person that keeps a TEAM from reaching it's full potential.

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You know the saying, beauty is on the inside is something ugly people say to make themselves feel better??

Well beeing a good "team mate" is more important than beeing skilled is somthing newbs say to make themselves feel better..

James... you know as well as I do that in a game of domination, its is important that everyone is trying to capture territories. When an individual is focusing on kills and staying alive, by camping in one spot, that doesn't help the team's cause. So just because you are skilled at staying alive and getting kills, doesn't mean you are supporting your team in this gametype. Team deathmatch is another story, however.

That sounds like it's important for a lot of chaos to ensue.

Capturing the territories should be a secondary objective in the game of Domination. Once you have spawn control, the game becomes a boring game of shooting fish in a barrel while you wait for (what?) 200 domination points. In the game Domination, spawn control is what you really want to achieve. With spawn control, you control the other team as well as a huge chunk of the map. With territory control, your future is uncertain.

Why die when you can control when and where the other people live?

BTW: CynEater's balls are way bigger than Slayer's.

Let's see, how do you gain spawn control... oh, that's right, by capturing the best two of the three territories. Unfortunately, that is hard to make happen when not everyone is helping capture territories.The implementation of what you just described is still hampered by loners.

I am was not pointing fingers at any one person in particular... there are multiple people that do this. If you want to lay claim to being unsupportive, thats fine. But it doesn't change my original point or argument, that stats do not necessarily indicate team players. You can be exhibit A if you wish, but I am not going to point out anyone. I could openly blast everyone that has been regularly unsupportive in every game that we have ever played... but what would that accomplish? I am arguing a point... not calling out anyone.

I see your point shyz.but there isn't absolutes like that, when it comes to a strong team.this is a bit of a stretch,but bare with me..

we need BOTH flag "captureers/killers" aswell as "killers".
without both working simotaniously(against a good team),that would make THEM from fresno,and US grabbin our freakin socks.
furthermore,beauty needs to be on the inside.aswell as the outside(hopefully).without beauty in the inside,and beauty on the outside,you have a good looking girl that is a bitch.idk bout you guys,but that is def a NO-GO for myself.

@ Rap. this is true,but to make them continue to spawn at their home flag.we MUST have 2 of the 3 territories,AS we kill them..

So BASICALLY,the way i'm seeing it.ALL of our opposing points are NEEDED to have a strong team,AND strategy.

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oh snap..we were typing this crap up at the same time.once again,my point gets put across better than i did/could....

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I just want to clarify. EA hasn't actually seen my balls.
It’s just a widely known fact that I have big balls.

But I digress.
I was not meaning to call you out on something that is inherently wrong. Everyone has their own style of playing. And because it’s a video game it doesn’t really matter how anyone plays, just so long as the individual playing is having fun. I hold nothing against any of you guys. We’re all different so our styles of game play will differ as well. I can honestly say though that I don’t think Andy had anyone in particular in mind when he was writing these posts. Just from being a CoD player, I know that there are hundreds of people I play with that frustrate me in the same way that Slayer is describing here.

I just have one more thing to point out before I finish and go eat my now cold stew. We (thx) are regarded by many as a very reputable and professional information source for gamers. Yes we are all human but our discussions of topics like this should not break-down into arguments. Yes I am probably the worst example of this but I think we really should try harder to not let these things get so personal.
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But it's Slayer. We've always picked on him and we've always told him to be the hillbitch.

Ok. To be fair. I have never seen Slayer's balls. JDOGG may be able to vouch for him on this one.

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No no it's not, when everyone tries to cap a flag everyone ends up dying at the same time.. and camping one spot can be clutch to help a team win, EXSPECIALLY in domination. I would love to see yall play rumble pit it'd be video game gold..

Live To Win.. even when your team try's to stop you..

OMG, James... you know that I am not advocating that everyone rush into the territory at exactly the same time without even shooting at anybody. You know how we do this stuff... quit playing stupid.

Next time I will just draw a diagram with graphs and precise looking pictures... then maybe you guys will comprehend what I am trying to express without making absurd assertions, or purposefully distorting what I am saying.

Whats this WE stuff again... like you have even played enough with us to know. You have played about 1/4 of the games we have.

But that's what a good team mate does runs to the flag and sacrifices themselves isn't it???.. But no that's not what we do, I don't even know what we do exactly, I guesse what we do is have one maybe two people caping while the others *gasp* camp the territory and defend the capers, then once we achieve that what do we do?? camp those territories and when don't we normally lose one and sometimes both and have to start from scratch. atleast that how it normally goes down in my view maybe there's a whole nother part of the game I've been missing out on I don't know.

All I'm really trying to say is yalls reasoning for beeing a good team mate is crap. K/d ratio w/l ratio in COD is almost a perfect indicator for how good a team mate/palyer the person is. Because (in most cases) it takes one shot to kill someone. So if someone has a negative k/d ration you know he's garbage even if he'll be your stepping mat and do everything you tell him and doesn't care about dieing he will prob do next to nothing to help the team, exspecially after the first 2-3 minutes of the game cause then he has to be able to kill people to have any chance of caping a territory.

geez you people are dense..

ignorance is bliss,i suppose..

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How did this degrade into a discussion about COD4?! This thread is about H3 rankings...

Oh, that's right. EA presented some values that weigh heavily on how skilled a player is at H3 (on-topic). Slayer then tried to apply that equation to COD4 by listing COD4 game types (entirely off-topic).

They are two different games, each with it's own game types. What makes you good in one doesn't *necessarily* apply to the other.

Can we get back on topic now?

Wow... wth man? and who the hell is "we"? Don't you dare put me in the same category as you. Yes I pick on him, but that's because I'm his friend and unlike you I know when to quit. There's a point when a person goes over the top and they just end up looking like a jerk. Good Job. Apparently you're not an Early Adopter of common sense.

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Slayer and CynEater. I'm sorry if anyone has been offended by my words. I have no issues with anyone one these forums or people that I play with. I do however feel that people have issues with how I play a game of CoD4 and have been vague about bring it to light. Maybe I'm just making all this up as I feel that it's been directed toward me both on the forums and in-game.

I was trying to turn this discussion in another direction and tried to make light of past comical things that have been said about Slayer by some group of people that excludes CynEater. In no way was I trying to degrade Slayer. I apologize for my words if they have offended you in this thread. CynEater. Thank you for freely speaking your mind. It is very obvious how you feel. It is much appreciated and helps keep the discussion in check.

I like discussing game theory. So, let's continue to discuss game theory.

No, it wasn't off topic at all, I simply tried to make my point that stats do not always equal a supportive team mate, in any game, which is what rapture was disagreeing with hubcap about in the first place. That is where it started. It degraded into an argument over CoD4 strategies because I used CoD4 as an example, which was evidently a mistake. I think my argument stands for any game with these gametypes, including H3. However, H3's spawn system is different from CoD4's, so there are minor adjustments to be made in the strategy. But it still holds true in H3 that a loner team mate camping in the back is not going to do much to help the team capture territories.

rap, I am not offended, I take crap all the time... mostly because I ask for it, and I take it pretty well I think. I kinda want to rise above that stuff now, but its hard when I say stupid stuff on live so much. I really am trying to break that mold though, so I get irritated more than I used to over it. :)

Honestly, I did not intend to call anyone out or point fingers at anyone. Regardless of how I feel about rapture's tactics in CoD4, I am not trying to go after him, I am simply trying to argue my point about stats.

Unfortunately, there is a fundamental disagreement on both sides as to how strategies should be implemented. Therefore, the conversation has slowly moved in that direction. I think if common ground is found there, then the rest kinda takes care of itself. I should have seen this from the beginning.

The sole point I am trying to make is that an individual's stats do not necessarily indicate supportive gameplay. That's it. Perhaps I have gone in the wrong direction to make this point, but again, I think the fundamental disagreement is always going to take the conversation in that direction.

Okay, I am going to be very candid here...

I don't mind arguing strategies, I like arguing strategies, I like debate in general. Having someone disagree with me or even crack a joke, does not irritate me. What does bother me, and this goes for any conversation where there are differing view points... What does bother me is when the person on the other side talks in a condescending manner in an attempt to make the other person look stupid and uninformed. One example of this is when people, I believe, purposefully misunderstand your point and then try and discredit you by making absurd and ridiculous assertions based on your misrepresented point. That gets under my skin because it makes me feel stupid, inferior and unintelligent, and I don't believe I am any of those things. Again, this goes for ANY debate on ANY subject with ANY person. Perhaps it is just me, but I feel like this was happening here, and has happened in the past. I feel like the people on the other side understand what I am saying, but I purposefully playing stupid.

I just feel like I have explained my side very clearly, and when somebody says something to the affect of "you were talking about this, but now you are saying that, so I really am confused and don't understand... so I can't respond", that really hacks me off. I just feel like you guys understand and agree with me more than you want to let on.

Please don't take any of this the wrong way, rap. But I just get the vibe a lot that you feel like we, the rest of us, have no business talking about gaming at all, because we don't have your experience. I feel like you look down you nose at us as "recreational" gamers and don't take what we say seriously. I know you have done a lot of crap that we couldn't even aspire to do in gaming, but we are not stupid, and we are serious gamers, and I think our opinions are very valid and make lots of sense. So it does make me angry when I feel like I my argument is getting shafted unfairly.

Okay, now that I have spilled my heart out here... hopefully I haven't made anyone mad. I'll probably be embarrassed and regret all of this later. Please tell me if I am being unreasonable.

Thanks, Slayer. It looks like we don’t have to lock the thread after all. At lot has been said so I’ve got some responding that I would like to do. There are several topics to address.

ON INDIVIDUAL STATS AND TEAMWORK

I also think that stats and teamwork at two different things. Of course there are selfish players. Individual stats generally reflect individual skill. There’s no way to track clan stats in CoD4 or Halo 3 like there was in Halo 2. So, there’s no clear way to track teamwork or a team’s performance.

This whole thread was started because the website that shows individual stats ranked by TrueSkill in Halo 3. It’s a neat website. Does it make someone “the best”? No. It’s just a ranking.

But, it does show insight into a gamer’s style and how they play. I think over time, conclusions can be made: “This gamer wins a lot.” “This gamer wins often.” “This gamer wastes a lot of ammo.”

W/L. K/D. Accuracy. They do speak toward a player’s ability.

Individual stats say nothing about teamwork upon looking at them. However, individual stats do say something about effectiveness and potential.

Bear with me here.

Teamwork implies a certain mix of chemistry and individual skills. Even greatly skilled players can be no help to a team because of poor chemistry (someone doesn’t like another person, someone is a selfish player, someone doesn’t allow someone else to do their job, etc.).

But, I think this all goes without saying. Read: why do we have to say this?

I think we all get that a very skilled computer programmer can be a terrible employee and a terrible co-worker. I also think that we all get that a good employee doesn’t make a good programmer – no matter how bad that new employee wants to make the next killer software application or contribute to a team. A good employee may never become a productive computer programmer.

This is why I mentioned that there are some things that you cannot teach. You said that a “supportive teammate is more valuable than a skilled one”. I disagree.

I say that a supportive teammate is more valuable than an unsupportive teammate. I say that I’d rather have a pool of individually skilled players than people willing to be good teammates. I do not see how anyone would reject a skilled gamer that is supportive of their teammates.

You can’t necessarily teach someone to be a good aimer. You can indoctrinate someone with strategy and gameplans. When it’s game time, coaches manage strategy. They don’t teach skills. If they could, they would.

Having a good attitude and being a good person alone won’t get you very far. It may help you cope with life. But something has to be brought to the table that’s more than a good attitude.

Skills and abilities are important. If you want to form a team that has the most potential, you select people from a pool of skilled and talented individuals. So, I’m not going to select someone solely because they are a good teammate. I’m going to select someone that has the ability.

Skills cannot be discounted (unless you don’t care about winning or being successful).

It’s your ability (how you use your skills) that will determine if you achieve success or not.

ON THX PLAYING COMPETITIVELY and ME SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT WORTHY

You’ve gotten the wrong vibe about me thinking that you guys don’t have any business talking about gaming. This is untrue and I do not feel that way. I want to push myself. I want to push others along with me.

I generally want to play against tough competition. I have more fun thinking about how we got beat and thinking about how to beat another team than winning at CoD4 Domination all day long on XBOX Live with random gamers. This is why I don’t like it when we quit out of CoD4 matches after getting beat. Even if we have bad players on our team, I’d rather stay in and fight.

Winning all day long doesn’t prove that your strategy is working. Beating a team that has beaten you several times proves that your strategy worked.

Yes, some of the strategies that I helped develop for our Halo PC team were very advanced. But I don’t assume that I’m better than anyone or that my strategy is better than anyone else’s. I do assume that because I have a decent accuracy rating that I’m a good aimer. Strategy is about the management of individual skills. I enjoy thinking about that.

Our Halo PC strat was a very dynamic defensive attack (yes, defensive attack) that involved everyone person knowing where every other person (including the enemy) was at all times without communication. It actually involved thinking about the code developers programmed into the game.

Can you imagine not only knowing where every THXer was in every map, but also knowing what every THXer was doing solely based on the enemies’ response and not based on voice communications? Then imagine knowing that there is only two or three ways that the enemy can regain made control. Imagine being able to predict when and how the enemy was going to counter. Those were complex strategies that many hours of game time to develop. It took a chemistry that was developed overtime with other players – even the enemy.

This is part of the social consciousness of the players that are determined by map geometry, weapon locations, and objectives and so on. It’s a meta feeling. It’s a way of understanding the consciousness of the digital avatars in the game.

Most people play a game based on the way the game developers intended it to be played. The best teams play the game based on how the game developers didn’t intend the game to be played.

I can say that the reason my team was good at Halo PC was because we were good individually. We actually were poor communicators as a whole. The other Halo PC teams that watched us play made fun of us because we didn’t talk to each other that often during the rounds. But, because we were skilled (could hold our own individually) and because we had a strategy (a game plan) we could beat most any team.

If the other team used the same strategy as us, we beat them with our individual skills.

Guess what? Strategies leak. They get picked up by the other team.

Right now if you play on XBOX Live you can assume that the other team isn’t using a strategy for their whole team. If they ARE using a strategy, you can assume that they aren’t using the same strategy as you (besides control hill “B” ASAP).

And this is where competitive gaming eventually takes you --- at least, this is where it takes me.

You have to assume that the other team knows everything you know and plays the same strategy as you do. When both sides have the same information and intelligence, individual battles will win the entire game. Eventually, one individual could win the entire game by winning one little battle. That’s the highest level of competition. A game won on one play --- the proverbial chess match.

You have to admit that there’s a different level that THX could be playing on both competitively and strategically.

However, both higher levels involve a:
significant individual time investment (hours per week)
coordinated time investment with the team (scheduled practice and matches)
formidable opponents that are on the same level or greater (someone to make you stronger)

Question: Is your team getting stronger on XBOX Live? (It may not matter).

I would almost guarantee that any strategy developed on XBOX Live in public rooms would not hold much water in private competitive matches against other teams that want to be the best at the game.

The reason is because those gamers were once were playing on XBOX Live public matches. They know those strategies. They know how to overcome those strategies.

Of course, most of us would rather play with people we know (a team) than people we don’t know. I don’t like playing with random people. I’d rather play with people that I’ve met in real life or have come to know online.

And most of us don’t like losing. We’d like to win (or at least try our best).

So, we’ve gone from being individual gamers, to a gaming community that plays together. We like winning, so it’s only natural that we develop some basic team-based skills. So, we are serious gamers in the public servers.

The question is “how far do we (or for CynEater, “you”) go?” Do you be the best on your block? Do you be the best on your Friend’s List? Do you want to compete in online tournaments and ladders? Do you be the best on LAN?

What drives you and do you want more?

For the amount of time we’ve/you’ve put into CoD4 and judging by how serious some of us/you have taken stats and CoD4 tactics, why wouldn’t you play in an online ladder at Gamebattles or some place?

Perhaps you have already answered this question. Perhaps there’s a logistical reason for this (not enough time, not enough desire, wanting to avoid confrontation). Perhaps everyone is content with playing on XBOX Live and seeing what cards are dealt.

This is all fine.

Things get hairy when we start discussing strategy and teamwork in an online public environment. Things get hairy when you get frustrated at other teammates for their performance. After all, you are talking about teamwork in an environment that is full of casual gamers playing together who may be unfamiliar with your strategy.

Right now, I like the no pressure attitude on CoD4. I hop on. I join up. I win a lot. It’s over. I, at least, do what I think is going to help my team win the game in the easiest fashion (except for times when I am in the enemy’s base observing their spawn system, trying it figure out how the developers wrote the spawn code).

(Deep thought: game theory and strategy is really about making the thousands and thousands of lines of programming code work for you – not necessarily manipulating the weapons, geometry, and other things that you visualize on your TV screen. It’s about executing the code.)

Quite frankly, CoD4 has gotten boring for me.

It’s not because I think I’m good at the game. It’s because I think there’s little left to prove on XBOX Live public matches. I would rather be challenged all the time in CoD4 rather than 1-in-5 games on XBOX Live. I get turned off when we quit out parties because we are getting beat.

I like playing on XBOX Live with you guys. I just don’t know if it makes sense to gripe about how someone is playing in a public XBOX Live match --- whether it is me or some random person that you are playing with.

ON ME AS A GOOD COD4 TEAMMATE

Bear with me for a second. My W/L ratio is much higher than that of all you guys. Most of the games I have played have been with you guys (especially in the last couple of months). I have no idea what you guys do when I'm not playing with you guys. But it seems that when I play with you guys, you win more often.

(Caveat: that's not an absolute proof. Statistically you can get around my theory and discount my performance by saying that you lose most when I’m not around because you are playing other games that don’t matter. But given the number of THX'ers playing CoD4 and given the number of games that I know I have played with you guys, the numbers would work against anyone discounting the theory above. Maybe I have no effect on the outcome of the games that I play with you.)

The point is that the W/L stats seem to indicate that when I play my style of play with you guys, you win more. As such, I do not see how changing my style of play will cause you guys to win any more. Any talk about sacrificing being a noble thing for the team sounds like some kind of unproved strategy that has no basis.

I sensed friction in the way that I play. I’ve read about the K/D whores and heard chatter in CoD4 rooms about this. I assumed that I am the target because of when and how some of the references were made. Combined with some of my theories on how to win Domination, then I assumed it was directed toward me and possibly SHYZZA.

Why make this public on our online forums? Why talk about it if it isn’t directed to anyone in particular? It’s XBOX Live public matches.

Maybe I am wrong.

Maybe if I did change my style of play we would win even more often. But I doubt that given my understanding of CoD4 Domination game theory, given my performance, and given a glance at the W/L ratios of everyone on my list.

When I play with you guys, I do all I can do to help the team win. I think the W/L stats show that. Again, I have no idea what everyone does when they play in other CoD4 games, but from my perspective, I help you guys win a lot of games based on how I play.

I don’t see why it’s relevant to whine about random K/D whores in public XBOX Live matches. It’s XBOX Live. Stuff happens. You can’t expect ordinary gamers to give a rip about winning. So, I assumed that any talk about K/D whores was related to someone within earshot of the whining.

I believe that stats don’t tell the whole story. Stats don’t tell who the best player is. But I think they show trends. Of the competitive gamers that I have on my friends list, they have high or higher W/L and K/D ratios than I do. So, I can assume they are good CoD4 players.

I don’t think it’s fair to accuse someone of sitting back to improve their K/D ratio when you don’t know what they are doing. Just because you know what they aren’t doing doesn’t mean that you know what they are doing.

I think it’s silly to fuss about individual tactics in public CoD4 matches on XBOX Live – especially if the discussion isn’t directed to anyone in particular.

CoD4 VERSUS H3

Dominating in CoD4 is about spawn control. Once you have that, you can control the other team, the objectives, and the map. This is because of the Halo1-like spawn system. You can have spawn control without having two hills in Domination.

Offense puts butts in the seats. Defense wins championships.

Dominating in Halo 3 is about map control – which leads to weapon control (due to the class system in CoD4, there’s no weapons control). The spawn system in Halo 3 is balanced so that the person with map control doesn’t really ever achieve spawn control.

The strategies in CoD4 and H3 are different. However, the common theme to dominating in CoD4 and H3 will be map control and individual skill.

Those are some thoughts that I’ve had about this thread. I hope I’ve been clear and that you understand where I am coming from.

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I didn't read all that, but I did read your other post. Thank you for clarifying your comment and I'm sorry for assuming so much on your part. We all good? :-)
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...Good Lord! Are you telling me I have to wade through all that?!?! This is gonna take a while.

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True, but you also have to consider my playing style. I'm a run and gun go to the firefight type player. I don't hang back and try to boost my stats. I go in and try to mess things up for the other team, and I still have a ~1.9:1 K/D ratio. That says a lot about my skill overall and my worth as a teammate since I'm going in to the heaviest action and completely disrupting the other team and discombobulating any kind of strategy and cohesion they might have had.

DJ

Excluding TheDarkNorseman (with his low, low kill counts), I would just like to point out I have the best K/D in Huntsville...

I would like to point out that you will die alone.

I like halo 3...it is a fun game. I am good at it, but I have a 1.26 k/d ratio. I may not be a very good teammate, but I can get kills and most of the time I have fun playing. That is why I'm here.

Oh, EA: Slayer has nice balls too...small, smooth, with little sprouts of hair. Kind of like 2 eggs in a hankey.

2 Kittenkommando NA NA Captain, Grade 3 24 315 407 77% 6293 3209 1.96 15.5 Huntsville AL
3 MlNTZ NA NA Gunnery Sergeant, Grade 2 13 64 78 82% 1160 675 1.72 14.9 Huntsville AL

Is that so? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that 1.96 > 1.72 by a fair amount.

DJ

Sorry, I wasn't using your lame zip code.

And over 5 times the sample used to get the ratio. gg DJ

How exactly do you have the best K/D in Huntsville Mintz, it looks like you're #6 to me, and I have more kills than you so I don't know what you mean by my low, low kill counts. In fact out of all the people in the top 5 only 3 have more kills than me and they have all played at least 4 times or more games than I have. I have only played 37 more games than you but have 581 more kills. Where exactly are you getting you're stats from? They are incorrect.

Mintz isn't the best because Xray hasn't played much Halo 3 under his own account.

At the time of that posting, I was correct, excluding you. Then DJ posted his scores, and proved his beastly might.